Robb Wolf addressed a question about Jack Kruse and thermogenesis in his recent podcast and in his response, he spoke to what he called the “really nasty divisive kind of scene growing up within the paleosphere.”
I have been uncomfortable about the tone of some of these discussions despite greatly respecting many of the folks involved. I thought Robb said what I felt and decided his response needed a bit more visibility, so I’ve taken the liberty of transcribing it.
I have no illusions that we’ll all join hands and go skipping down the lane, but maybe it’s the semi-Buddhist in me, I’d like to put a plug in for a middle way.
This isn’t the entire answer (which was nearly 15 minutes long) and it’s been lightly edited for readability. My two cents afterward.
I’m not that far off of where Jack is coming from. Like I see some benefit to cyclic ketogenic eating, I see some benefit to eating with the seasons, havng a little bit of an eye directed towards seasonality and locality. I don’t think there’s any doubt that different hormetic stressors, both cold and heat, can definitely be beneficial.
I think Jack’s way more emphatic about it than I am. I think that there’s a variety of stressors, both heat and cold, that could be highly beneficial. Whether you or not you should be on a ketogenic diet all the time, I think is a little subject to your activity level and that. …
I see this really nasty divisive kind of scene growing up within the paleosphere, whatever the hell you want to call it. And you have some folks that are really strict adherents to this ketogenic approach, you have people that are pushing this “safe starch” kind of gig. … It’s intriguing to me that a lot of the clinicians, the people who are actually dealing with patients on a day-to-day basis (although I wouldn’t put Chris Kresser in this, he kinda straddles this thing; he deals with a ton of people but he’s also cognizant that a ketogenic approach isn’t a one size fits all for everybody). But it’s interesting, a lot of people who are in this kind of practitioner role, they see huge benefit for low-carb paleo intervention.
And then you have a lot of other folks that are kinda out of this academic scene, they don’t actually work with people, they don’t actually help people on a day to day basis, they spend a ton of time kinda pontificating on the Internet and stuff like that and they spin out on all these tiny minutia details kinda things about what’s optimum and what’s not, but they’re not actually doing anything on a day to day basis to work with or help people.
And this thing has grown into this really fucking nasty scene. And it’s a bummer for me, because up until pretty recently, I think that we’ve been able to navigate stuff with a certain amount of humility and a mutual respect, and I see that stuff just disappearing and it’s definitely too bad in my book. …
There’s a lot of people out there that are getting really nasty about this topic and I would just caution folks to not do it, it’s not really doing anybody who needs help any good. There are millions of people that need to hear some sort of a moderate, measured message in order to save their life. And I think that that should be kinda the primary goal. Should we talk about the nuances of this stuff and figure out best practices? Absolutely. But not at the expense of kicking each other in the balls.
And I see a lot of that stuff going on. … Jack has been pretty viciously attacked in all this stuff. Is some of what he’s putting forward controversial? Is the way that he’s doing it kinda wacky? Yeah, but you don’t need to publicly assassinate the guy. I’ve seen that go down from other people, fitness luminaries, and it’s just ugly, worthless stuff. … I would just encourage people to try to maintain a little bit of respect and decorum about this stuff and not just go for the jugular.
I’m not particularly religious, but I am generally more comfortable with St. Augustine’s concept of “love for mankind and hatred of sins.” I totally get we’re not all the same (and I noticed Emily Deans still hasn’t added Paul Jaminet’s blog back to her blogroll after removing it for Paul’s Mercola posts), and in fact, I’ve been known to go there myself (ref my Taubes “dick move” tweet at AHS11).
Now, it’s possible that Robb is channeling Kevon Bacon (see below), but maybe not. Anyways, for the record, here’s a +1 for respect and decorum.